-- b. It may have hurt him. The bombing was planned for April 19th, to coincide with the Oklahoma bombing, but for some reason, they were set back to the 20th. These people do have emotions. These are all great examples of Tom's relationship with Dylan. Spelling aside, Eric Harris had turned 18 about a week prior. It was weird. She hyped it up as a must see and an insight to what really happened. He didn't even say hi to Tom or ask how he was. Dylan takes the camera then and begins filming Eric. Now, she spends her time advocating for suicide prevention and mental health services. Over time, they became increasingly close, hanging out by often going out bowling, carpooling and playing the video game Doom over a private server connected to their personal computers. May 15, 2004. No, they hated the gay boys almost as much as they hated the jocks. Eric Harris was a garden variety psychopath, nothing very interesting about him. Sue would later find out through his journals though that by sophomore year he was battling depression and suicidal thoughts. Sue Klebold broke down in tears as she remembered the funeral of her son Dylan. The Klebolds said their son was set off by the toxic culture of the school, where athletes were worshipped and bullying was tolerated. He'd gone with a traditional black tuxedo, bow tie slightly askew. As much as it sucked I knew deep down that it was just a stage and that it wasn't real. "Susan said, came when somebody said, "I forgive you for what you've done." The glaring one that Americans seem unable to see is the huge amount of available weapons in the US. I think we can value Sue's words more than Dylan's words in this one. These two need to be gutted and hung out for the vultures. Susan Francis Klebold was born on March 25, 1949, to Milton Yassenoff and Charlotte Yassenoff. From many angles, Dylan was the average kid any parent would want. . In April 1981, Harris was born in Wichita, Kansas. Dylan wrote an essay about a school shooting that disturbed his teacher enough that it was referred to the school counselor. You have no right to disrupt someone else's place of business. This thread is going to hell in jig time if it turns into the all-too-familiar "they were running up and down the aisles and that caused Columbine!!!" He was steady enough on his feet to run, but not to stop himself from losing balance and falling, which he did, forehead-first right into the metal bed frame. Klebold's parents, Thomas and Susan, lived in a sprawling, secluded house on a dirt road. There are a myriad of factors to consider. KleboldI started reading the Columbine book, how does he try to explain Klebold? His parents didnt yet know to monitor his internet usage. We are not there yet. At approximately 11:19 a.m., Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric . Dylan Klebold was 17 when he and Harris,18, carried out their long-planned attack on the high school about 13 miles south of downtown Denver. It Always seems like he didn't give a damn about them, in his writings and in the Basement Tapes. I can't find any photos of Eric's older brother, Kevin. 6. In this case, the other shooter played a pivotal role in stoking Dylans rage and allowing him to break out of his own passivity and actually take steps toward the suicide he craved. We just share a brotherhood of admiration and belief in R &V. We sympathize with each other. He was fiercely independent, insisting his mother teach him how to bathe himself at the age of 5 or 6, and how to do his own laundry at age 10. The world was shocked and sickened on April 20, 1991, when crazed students Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric Harris, 18, slaughtered 12 students and one teacher at Colorado's Columbine High School. Both were from Columbus, Ohio and went to Ohio State University. Susan Francis Klebold ( ne Yassenoff; born March 25, 1949) is an American author and activist. Eric is filming. From what we cam tell, the Harris family took a laissez-faire attitude towards Eric. I'm not doubting what you're saying, and if you've got any insight, I'd love to hear it, but short of actually going in and manually rewiring neurons, it just seems like the best case scenario would be non-destructive analytical automaton. In my defense, R78, everyone knew I wrote the best hand. Teachers have no training in mental disorders or warning signs. That's not contrition, it's a final fuck you to the world. No matter how angry they were they wouldn't be able to kill that many without those weapons. Under different circumstances it would've been a lot different. LITTLETON, Colo., April 24 - The parents of Dylan Klebold, one of the teenage shooters in the Columbine High School massacre, said goodbye to their dead son . And it wasnx92t because they werenx92t around. Dylan kept talking about college, about his future. There was a documentary on Netflix or somewhere in which she t. Brian Rohrbough, father of victim Daniel Rohrbough, said he was outraged that the Klebolds . Younger brother to Kevin Harris (21 at the time). Eric David Harris and Dylan Bennet Klebold were a pair of school shooters, bombers, and mass murderers responsible for the April 20, 1999 Columbine High School Massacre in Columbine, Colorado, which killed thirteen people and wounded 21 others before ending with both of their suicides. I havent done anything for which I need forgiveness, Susan Klebold said. LITTLETON, Colo. (AP) _ Columbine High School gunman Dylan Klebold was a follower, not a leader, who went astray after he met Eric Harris, friends say. I remember Oprah had teachers and students from Columbine on her show within a month of the event. I don't think the parents are to blame and never had, but it's a lot easier hating these two kids and their parents then hating the society that produced them. Hell, Klebold and a bunch of their friends went to the prom the weekend before the killings. I found this thred on accident and had to comment. Unfortunately, we only have her word today as to what went on in the home. It's up to me what I do with it. School officials, law enforcement, and the adult community learned a lot after Columbine and are doing a better job of detecting trouble. When I was 16 my parents sure as hell would have known if I had firearms in my possession or were building pipe bombs anywhere near our home. Age : 36. Klebold was depressed and fell under Harris's influence. I think he suffered horribly before he died, Susan Klebold said. Tom was a geophysicist, Sue worked with handicapped people. Just know I'm going to a better place. He became more paranoid, forcing them all to flee a McDonalds because he believed a group of teens on the other side of the store were laughing at him. I recently watched the documentary Raising Adam Lanza, and, though it wasnt as detailed, there were some interesting overlaps between Adam and Dylan. one of their coworkers at blackjack (again, cannot remember the name; most of this is just top of my head knowledge but it was a girl) said that dylan was not close with his dad and even disliked him (something to that effect), also in the 11k. We had to get up at 4:00 AM to be there by 6:00. In their first interview since the Columbine High School massacre, the parents of one of the killers said they feel no need be forgiven and didnt realize their son was beyond hope until after he was dead. While Id argue that violent media doesnt cause people to act violently if theyre not otherwise inclined, it seems Dylan was vulnerable to the violent games and movies he consumed outside the home. Serious victim mentality with both of them. His father was a geophysicist and a mother worked with the disabled . Nothing taken care of that I needed him to do (like take care of the cats). You can't learn to feel if you don't. Ridiculous. Other than that, we don't have much indication that Tom was anything other than a good father. ", Eric: (shrugs) "My parents might have made some mistakes that they weren't really aware of. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the gunman, had been bullied for several years prior to the massacre. Brookscolumn did not say when and where the interview took place. That's the first thing. Indeed, up until he died, he had been going to school, working a part-time job, hanging out with his friends, planning for college all behaviors of a normal teenager. No matter how angry they were they wouldn't be able to kill that many without those weapons. I was just worried Dylan was unhappy (p. 227). Sue suggests that for someone as sensitive to humiliation and loss of control as Dylan, these types of events may have made a big influence on him, and created a bond between the boys. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Can you imagine having one of those monsters as your brother? Eric Harris was an American murderer from Wichita, Kansas. Dylan was a depressed teenager with many mental issues. The Klebolds stayed, at least as of 2004. Most of you posters here are complete idiots and voiceofthenight is the biggest moron of them all. Without one factor (their brains) or the other (the guns), this wouldn't have happened the way it did, but I don't see the point of dismissing/elevating one over the other. on Thursday, April 23rd, 2020 . x93There is no comfort for parents here,x94 Cullen told me yesterday. In them, its obvious to see how his anger and rage turned from being directed toward himself to directed toward others. I've linked an article from Nature magazine about it. She didn't do anything that would be perceived as spying. . Im looking for possible warning signs of trouble between these two individuals and their father-son relationship. After college, the couple married and settled in the Denver area. A few weeks ago, I reviewed Sue Klebold's memoir A Mother's Reckoning: Living in the Aftermath of Tragedy, about her experience as the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the Columbine High School shooters.While I was able to share the manner by which she communicated her ideas and insights, I wasn't able to . If there is a hell, they are there, burning. That doesn't make them monsters. School shooters often show little attachment to their school. The Columbine story was recently remade, with some editorial changes, as The Hottie and the Nottie starring Paris Hilton. Dylan Klebold, along with Eric Harris, shot and killed 13 people and injured 20 at Columbine High School on April 20, 1999. . Adam killed 20 children and 6 adults at Sandy Hook Elementary. I honestly do believe (and so does mom) that his brain has been rewired primarily by a head injury he sustained when he was just toddling. They cry innocence and ignorance, when I know they were anything BUT. Is that correct? Ericx92s parents knew their son was no angel x97 he broke into a van, he was found making pipe bombs and setting them off for fun x97 and they took steps to address this. COLUMBINE, pisode 3 : l'impact sur la socit, 3. The couple took issue with people who say they forgive them for what happened. Everyone ones there to be one systemic cause, one thing that failed, to point to and say "there, that's why this happened." Are any of Robert Hare's books of interest, if you know? It profiles Sue Klebold, Dylan Klebold's mother, and examines what lessons Americans should take away from the tragedy. The mother of Columbine killer Dylan Klebold says she thinks every day about the people her . (They werent.) [quote]It is absolutely the parents vault. Dylan was also drinking at the end of his life, likely complicating his mental health issues, though had once said that marijuana was a waste of time and so perhaps wasnt involved in drugs. His parents were Wayne Harris and his wife Katherine Ann Poole. Betty Shoels, Isaiah's aunt, said that "her 18-year-old nephew was a fun-loving athlete who was always smiling, despite feeling out of place as one of the school's few African-American students." . . The big trifecta of psychopathology. Subject: Re: Dylan's house google earth Tue May 10, 2016 10:18 pm. I'm sure they have given depositions but I don't think those were ever made public. The parents of Columbine killers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold have often been portrayed as disengaged from the lives of their sons and unaware of the dark paths lying ahead. He was easy to raise, a pleasure to be with, a child who had always made us proud (Klebold, 2016, p. 61). Eric Harris was 17 and a hottie. No one could control him. On a calendar entry dated the day of the attack, April 20, the time 11:10 is written across the top an approximate reference to when Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold pulled out their weapons . Agreed that Klebold's parents seem like total cunts, delusional in their whiny victim mentality. It's far more complicated than a matter of discipline. VOTN, I have Cullen's book but have not yet started it. I didnt hear it.. But perhaps he/she IS a charter member of the Reb&VoDKa fan club - and you're just going to IGNORE it? Growing up in Ohio, she had a mixed religious upbringing with her Christian mother and Jewish father. Bull fucking shit. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are once more in the family room of the Harris home. Im horrified, Dawn Anna, whose daughter Lauren Townsend was killed at Columbine, told The Associated Press. Parents are not automatically responsible for the behavior of their teenage children. Kids hide things. Eric Harris was quite the hottie, I don't understand why he had to go and kill himself. Sue Klebold Recalls What Her Son Dylan Was Like at Home: Part 2. I just don't get it. Asking how points the way forward, and shows us what we must do. Sue provides details that help us address some of the other considerations as well. His parents knew this, though not the extent of it. Planning? He was one of the teens behind the Columbine High School Massacre in 1999. But she focuses greatly on the lead-up to that day, hoping to shed light on what happened to her son in order to help someone else see signs in their own child while they still have a chance to intervene. Or is your tiny mind only capable of two viewpoints? VOTN, they used to think blood-letting and reading the bumps on people's head was science, too. Reviews: 81% of readers found this page helpful, Address: Suite 369 9754 Roberts Pines, West Benitaburgh, NM 69180-7958, Hobby: Worldbuilding, Shopping, Quilting, Cooking, Homebrewing, Leather crafting, Pet. [quote]The teachers at Columbine all seemed incredibly disengaged. crap. Dylan adds that they can have his things as well. What I am saying is that the cause is something deeper and more primal than "society.". Eric Harris's father (Wayne Harris) was a former Air Force pilot stationed at Plattsburgh AFB in New York, rumored to be linked to covert operations such as mind control. Has anyone seen it who can comment? ", Eric: (eventually) "That's it. Harris' family eventually settled in Colorado in 1992. The interview is set to air on "20/20" this Friday, coinciding with . I think Tom had high expectations of Dylan and may have been a little bit of a nag, but in these regards he wasn't much different than a lot of parents. ". I'd add that Tom watched the basement tapes and even after seeing them first-hand, stated something to the effect of 'see he didn't want to do it' (I'm paraphrasing here). (21 at the time). In this difficult, jarring talk, Klebold explores the intersection between mental health and violence . Dylanx92s father worked from home and saw his son every day. Dylan is wearing a black baseball cap on backward, exposing a "B" embroidered in white on the back of the hat - the Boston Red Sox logo. It didn't seem to slow down the ordinary media train. He was also very close friends with the killers. Dave Cullen, in a radio interview that I've been listening to, is very quick to point out that psychopathy doesn't equate automatically with murder. Sue acknowledges that before Columbine, she would have reacted to news of some horrific act by wondering what that persons parents must have been like to allow someone to turn out like that. How can that not bother you? I have cousins who did shit like this - what was I supposed to do, call the cops and tell them to search their bedrooms because they might be crazy? Why does anyone think that parents know or care what their children do? [quote]I can't believe Oprah canceled her Columbine show today. He has always been excessively cruel to animals (he even shot and killed his own dog because it barked), obsessed with weapons, "charmingly" manipulative of adults, a pathological liar, disdainful of other people and abusive to them and VERY quick to anger. Christ R22/R32/R39 et all. Oprah asked the teachers to describe Harris/Klebold, the teachers talked about how they didn't fit in, wore trenchcoats, seemed troubled and dangerous, and so on. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris had openly admired Adolf Hitler. You shouldn't attack people for the actions of their offspring. His father Wayne was a U.S. Air Force transport pilot . If anything, they seemed to hate everyone equally. On August 30, 2006 Columbine obsessed 18 year old Alvaro Castillo would murder his father with a sawed off Mossberg 500 shotgun at their home and then drive to a local high school and open fire. Sue Klebold is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the two shooters who committed the Columbine High School massacre, murdering 12 students and a teacher. And even then we may never uncover the truth. I think you did an excellent job with this blog post. Dylan says people will note the date and time when watching it. Every parent has flaws and every parent makes mistakes, but to me they mostly come across as a very normal family like there are millions all over the world. So he called me and offered to go to the school in hopes of negotiating with Dylan. The second of the Columbine killers, Dylan Klebold was a "born genius" who, despite a sensitive disposition, experienced explosions of rage (most often brought on by failure or humiliation,) suicidal tendencies, a disdain for the "zombie"-like human race, and a suggestibility upon which the psychopathic . I can handle them "spending too much time on the killers", but unfortunately I recognize there are too many whackjobs in this country who would just see it as glorification. I read a book about young doctors and they were discussing whether you can teach compassion. The people who run gifted programs are often special ed teachers who just got assigned that particular duty, and have the attitude that being smart is its own reward. This week, one of them, Sue Klebold mother of shooter Dylan Klebold - breaks the silence with ABC's Diane Sawyer. "Doctors" can profit, too, financially, when their names are attached to certain "studies.". R77, there are people who don't have feelings. Firstly, like everyone else he didnt pick up on his mental health nor was Dylan apparently showing it to his best friend. I do find it odd that youd characterise your 17 year old son as your best friend anyway, youre his father. Well, Mrs. Klebold is quite the victim, isn't she? On April 20, 1999, two teenage gunmen kill 13 people in a shooting spree at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, south of Denver. Sue Klebold with son Dylan in 1985. Credit: Sue Klebold via Penguin/Random House Tall, slim and graceful (her younger son was a gangly 193 centimetres tall), she is given to direct eye contact . [quote]He had been in a gifted child program, and you'd think they'd have some type of monitoring since kids who are that advanced frequently have problems. He deflates a lot of myths surrounding the event. You have to ignore a whole lot of what is wrong with society to limit it to a bogus discussion about how some people have "brains wired differently." Very well said, r18. When someone is in a store, that is not their own private property. Harris also had sadistic tendencies, which propelled him to "seek vengeance.". But Sue and her husband didnt know what the signs they were seeing meant. You teach them to recognize triggers that exacerbate symptoms. As she says, The rest of the world could explain away what he had done: either he was born evil a bad seed or hed been raised without moral guidance. Funny how things cycle. 17 year old son of Mr. Thomas Klebold (then 52) and Mrs. Susan (Yassenoff) Klebold (then 50), younger brother to Byron. By his junior and senior years, Dylans parents knew something was wrong. You unterstand. As a literature teacher, symbolism is not lost on me. Reb". Sue is from a prominent Jewish community . Harris was born in Wichita, Kansas, but moved around frequently as a child due to his father's occupation in the United States Air Force, while Klebold was born and raised near Columbine. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. OSHKOSH, Wis. (WBAY) - A special event was held in Oshkosh Tuesday afternoon, where the mother Dylan Klebold, one of the two gunmen responsible for the Columbine High School shootings in Colorado . additionally, dylan was definitely naturally shy. . I couldn't put the book down, and even though I thought I knew the ending of the story, or at least most of it, I have to admit, the last couple of chapters, specifically the one detailing the Basement Tapes, and the one about what had happened leading up to Harris and Klebold committing suicide were fucking frightening. Sue Klebold. Dylan's mother, Sue Klebold, confirmed to radio host Terry Gross on "Fresh Air" Tuesday that she is Jewish, and her now ex-husband, Dylan Klebold's father, is Lutheran, and said her son . On April 20, 1999, when Sue Klebold heard about a shooting incident at Columbine High School, her thoughts immediately turned to her 17-year-old son, Dylan, who was a senior there. [quote]You have to ignore a whole lot of what is wrong with society to limit it to a bogus discussion about how some people have "brains wired differently." ", Eric: "Morris, Nate, if you guys live, I want you guys to have whatever you want from my room and the computer room.". I do find it odd that you'd characterise your 17 year old son as your 'best friend' anyway, you're his father. In any case, teenagers can be quite unfair to their parents. From her comment on her official website, she felt it was disrespectful to focus on the killers when today should be all about the victims. [quote]Am I supposed to be impressed by dates, VOTN? I was in high school at the time. He injured 2 students before his gun jammed and he was arrested. This was murder, he said. Yes, it's the fifth anniversary of when you met your partner and you go out to dinner and somebody's child is relentlessly screaming throughout dinner that's fine. I couldn't do that to my family and I admit that I would never have the guts. I knew he was off, different. Psychiatry has long attacked outsiders of all kinds, including gays, while not saying a word about society. It's about a half an hour before our little judgment day. Eric Harris was beyond needing a therapist. (talks about his mother being thoughtful, bringing him candy and Slim Jims) "I really am sorry about all this. The problem, Cullen concludes, was that there is almost nothing that can be done to help psychopaths. Were not qualified to sort this out. The school shooting took place on April 20, 1999 at . Goodbye. We relate. ", Dylan: (talks about how his parents taught him to be independent and self-reliant) "I appreciate that.". The testimony people point out of a co-worker stating Dylan didnt get on with his father is unreliable as he couldve been having a teenage moan or joining in one time right up to regular bitterly disparaging remarks and reasons why. Of course there is no formula for determining whether someone will turn out to be a school shooter, but I definitely agree with the sentiment that it is important to look at how these things happen. They have grown up to be (somewhat) upstanding members of society, but I don't see how it is so easy to go from knowing your kid is making crank calls and setting off amateur pipe bombs to seeing him as a psychopathic murderer. We are ich bin auslander! Her recounting of the details of Dylans life, combined with what we learned about school shooters in general, paints a picture of how this particular child ended up committing one of the most infamous massacres in American history. What kind of parent lets their kid have a swastika prominently displayed in their room (as just one of many, many signs that their offspring had problems)? "He said, 'One of the boys my son shot said Dylan was a nice kid,' " Berg says. People that want to pretend that the parents were just innocent distant bystanders who had no responsibility for anything that happened are repulsive. Tom seemed in complete denial. Eric says if either the clerk or his father had asked just one question, "we would have been fucked.". Yet later, he sees them more as zombiestrickier though andmore manipulative. Dylan Klebold Character Analysis. My parents didn't know anything I did, didn't care,and were happy if I stayed invisible. . R17, would you call yourself more of a Harris or more of a Klebold? While in class we have made abundantly clear that most people with mental health issues are non-violent, Dylans depression and suicidality fits the school shooter pattern. Eric: "Yea Everyone I love, I'm really sorry about all this. His dad followed him around with a camcorder, capturing every move. The oblivious parents in Target or sitting inside their houses listening to their kids having a meltdown and completely ignoring it. (Stephanie . Discover Detailed Biography Of Dylan Klebold Wiki, Net Worth, Age, Fa . Ten years after the Columbine killings, the Harris family has not spoken publicly at all, and the Klebold parents have given one interview, to the columnist David Brooks here at the New York Times. Dylan Klebold, along with his friend Eric Harris, shot and killed 13 people and injured 23 others in April, 1999 in Columbine High School, before they turned their guns on . He and his partner Dylan Klebold were responsible for the Columbine High School massacre (1999). The giant whine of "I did my beeeeest!" . it was probably dylan just being a snarky and sardonic person if the relationship had ever crumbled, or a classic father/son conflict. i dont particularly envision tom to be the type of parent to humiliate or pressure his sons. Don't believe me? His father claimed his body but the burial site is unknown. I cannot have my uzzer patrons being upset.
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